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Posted 7/17/2007 6:42:47 PM


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Came across an interview with the Summit League commish held several weeks ago. He seemed to be very receptive- if not supporting expansion. Possible candidates would be South Dakota, North Dakota,SIU-Edwardsville and Bellarmine. Also, Oklahoma City University was mentioned. He also insinuated that divisional play would certainly be an option. This would be ok with me. Only thing, these schools are either in transition from D2, or thinking about going up to D1. This would run counter to the Summit Plan of raising the conference RPI and strength of membership with these transitional schools. Also, Northern Kentucky was mentioned, as they seem to want to go up to D1- just built a new arena.Also mentioned was Southern Indiana- looking to move up too.

D2 isn't a bad situation. The expense of D1 can be staggering for most schools. I guess they see D1 as proof they are running a big time program.There are many good schools in good D2 conferences, where they can compete for a national championship without trying to survive in the land of giants. Very few schools survive in this land of giants- most just exist and are satisfied to call themselves D1, and hope for the occasional NCAA appearance in any of their sports. I really think there should be D1AA for all sports (like football), so schools like WESTERN can compete for a championship with other schools with similar capabilities (financially). But I wont go there.

I went to grad school at an institution in the MIAA. These folks are fired up about D2 sports, and the opportunities they can compete for.They certainly don't see themselves as "second level". Of course, some of this depends on the states population, and how many other D1 programs they might compete for exposure and publicity. The fewer D1, the more D2 strenghthens- and some of these D2 programs- football and BB are very strong.

Just some ramblings.
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Posted 7/21/2007 2:38:01 PM


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Terry V reports on Centenary and a possible move...

http://blogs.argusleadermedia.com/sports/sdsu/i-really-should-know-better.html#respond

An excerpt from Shreveport Times writer Jimmy Watson’s Q and A with new Centenary AD Tom Tallach:

Watson: There has been some on-campus talk about Centenary dropping from Division I to Division II or III. Is that something that scares you and was there any conversation with President Ken Schwab about that during the interview process?

Tallach: “I have heard conversation about that and obviously I’m interested as an alum. But the central focus is and will continue to be that we are a Division I athletic program. We play in The Summit League. We have to go out and beat South Dakota State. We have to beat Missouri-Kansas City and IUPUI. My job is to make sure that we are competitive against the schools in our league, which is a Division I league. That’s where we are and that’s my focus and that’s what I have to do to make this a better situation for our student-athletes and to give our teams a better chance to be competitive.”

Full article here: http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007707170319


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Posted 7/23/2007 6:04:41 PM


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bluehat- Help me out. Why is the U of S. Dakota and U of N.Dakota wanting to move up? Is it a feeling they must keep up with NDSU and SDSU? I'm sure there are big rivalries here, and maybe the desire to keep these in place is part of it? Can the Dakota's support four D1 programs? Nothing negative here, but both of these schools have had good D2 success, just wondering why they want to move up to D1. Does it have to do with the NCC breaking up? Are all four schools similar in size and resources?
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Posted 7/23/2007 8:32:25 PM


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Leatherface (7/23/2007)
bluehat- Help me out. Why is the U of S. Dakota and U of N.Dakota wanting to move up? Is it a feeling they must keep up with NDSU and SDSU? I'm sure there are big rivalries here, and maybe the desire to keep these in place is part of it? Can the Dakota's support four D1 programs? Nothing negative here, but both of these schools have had good D2 success, just wondering why they want to move up to D1. Does it have to do with the NCC breaking up? Are all four schools similar in size and resources?

Answer to the first is they want to keep up with big brother. There is rivalries there but USD has a very disrespectful fan base, a story that comes to mind is a few of their students getting into the women's lockers during a game and well doing some disrespectful things to the shower. If USD can come up with the money by themselves like we did then they could be successful. UND is much more of a hockey first then football and then basketball school. UND is possibly better funded then SDSU, not sure about that. The NCC falling apart has a bit to do with the move up. A rivalry with USD for SDSU and UND for NDSU might bring in big crowds and amazing atmosphere, but I'll take the respect that the xDSU's have for each other. USD is the smallest and has the smallest budget of all schools. The other three schools are somewhat close in size and budget. I can really see USD failing at their move up due to a lack of resources financially and facility wise.

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Posted 7/24/2007 2:58:56 PM


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Is UND a D1 hockey program? Seems I have seen the Fighting SIOUX on TV during the Frozen Four. If that is the case, hockey could generate huge income for UND. How is this looked at by other D2 schools- who might feel they are at a disadvantage in revenue ( UND getting more revenue because of the D1 program generating dollars)? Because they have no D1 program that is followed like UND hockey.That increased income potential could be additional athletic department monies to be spread around. Does NDSU and SDSU have D1 hockey? Maybe UND barely breaks even on the sport, which then doesn't play into potential more revenue. I know the Fighting SIOUX is very well supported by their fans.
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Posted 7/24/2007 4:34:07 PM


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NDSU and SDSU do not have D-I hockey (SDSU has a club team, and I think NDSU does as well). Although hockey can generate revenue it is also a very expensive sport and when you look at Title IX concerns (UND has Women's Hockey which is a total drain on their athletic department) it is a wash from what I understand.

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Posted 7/26/2007 8:07:27 AM


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89rabbit (7/24/2007)
NDSU and SDSU do not have D-I hockey (SDSU has a club team, and I think NDSU does as well). Although hockey can generate revenue it is also a very expensive sport and when you look at Title IX concerns (UND has Women's Hockey which is a total drain on their athletic department) it is a wash from what I understand.

I think brother 89rabbit said it in less words then I could.

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